LiL’s Jupiter Return Causes Problems

August 4, 2012 at 12:13 am | Posted in Astrology | 4 Comments
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Reader “Lost in Life” (hereafter “LiL”) writes the following:

I am in a real mess rightnow. I have lost the relationship of my life, he just broke up a week ago

(and more, but it has been omitted because some is a bit personal).

First of all, let me say that our posts and discussions on this blog (or any other blog) are no substitute for appropriate professional advice of any kind.  They are not substitutes for legal, medical, psychological, financial or anything other remotely similar kind of advice.  In fact, if you want detailed personal astrological advice, then you should consult a local astrologer personally.  Furthermore, the focus on this blog is the analysis of patterns and mostly fairly abstract speculation about world events.

But, lately, I have made an exception and have been performing a few analyses for fun.  Soon, the other part(s) of my life will become busy, and I simply will not be able to answer many, likely most, of your posts.  And, when I do, the answers may come anywhere from two weeks to two months later.  If you can handle that, then feel free to ask.

Now that we have that out of the way, let’s proceed with this analysis.

LiL has some profound life challenges.  In the language of some, she has “lost everything.”  That is rarely true, and we suspect that she does have some resources available.  But, this is a difficult period for her.  In addition to a breakup with her sweetheart, she has had to return to India from London.  As she writes, we come to believe that London is truly home for her despite her heritage.  We have a saying that describes a similar situation here in Texas: “I wasn’t born a Texan, but I got here as soon as I could.”  Personally, I feel that way about Dallas (obviously including Plano).

Without any further details, here is LiL’s chart:

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As in some other cases, we used Allen Edwall’s program Astro123 to produce that chart.

LiL correctly observes that she has quite a bit of 12th house activity.  To be sure, this is never easy.  At UAC98, someone once asked an astrologer named Lee Lehman “What should we do about the 12th house?”  Without missing a beat, she quipped, “get rid of it.”

LiL has her Sun, Mercury, and Uranus in the 12th.  The North Node (Fate) is there also.  If you read this blog, then you know that Uranus (aka Prometheus) is about “surprises.”  It is also about enlightenment.  LiL struggles with the question of whether or not she has a stroke of genius or a stroke of insanity on a regular basis.  What is difficult to tell is whether it causes her more pain or those close to her.  We suspect that she feels the most pain.

She has a hidden gift here: Mercury is essentially conjunct Uranus.  LiL can tap ideas that are genius, or near genius at times.  The planets are in the 12th, and (in addition to representing delusions, deception, and alcohol & drug abuse) that can represent psychic ability.  This combination is a bit like a wild horse.  In an untamed form, it can (and often does) destroy the possessor.  With proper cultivation and training, it can be one of the greatest gifts imaginable.  And, Mercury/Uranus is associated with writers.

Sun near ascendant is squared by Saturn at Midheaven.  This is a similar situation.  Sun/Saturn in angular positions brings lifelong tribulations but can produce individuals made of iron.  Saturn at midheaven is associated with academics in general and brilliant writers in particular.  This is a second confirmation of the ability to write brilliantly.

Furthermore LiL has three (3) “fated” planets (last three degrees of a sign): Moon in Pisces, Chiron in Aries, and Jupiter in Taurus.  Note that the three are in sequence.  Once one is aspected, then so are the other two.  LiL’s recent life events correspond to (1) a series of oppositions against the planets in her Scorpio stellium (which also includes Mars) followed by (2) aspects to Moon, Jupiter, and Chiron (in that sequence, and almost simultaneously).  This last sequence is the part that went “boom” in her life.  Jupiter is usually benevolent, but not in LiL’s case.

Something like this happens every twelve years because Jupiter has a twelve year orbit, and a milder version happens at six year intervals.  Further subdividing the twelve year orbit, sometimes three year points can be significant depending on what else is happening.  Here is a transit list for points both in the past and future:

01/13/1997 16:26 Jupiter 91 Chiron
01/17/1997 22:29 Jupiter 90 Chiron
01/22/1997 04:28 Jupiter 89 Chiron
01/23/1998 13:17 Jupiter 91 Jupiter
01/27/1998 20:54 Jupiter 90 Jupiter
02/01/1998 03:22 Jupiter 89 Jupiter
02/05/1999 17:46 Jupiter 0 Moon
06/22/1999 23:29 Jupiter 0 Chiron
10/30/1999 11:58 Jupiter 0 Chiron
02/09/2000 04:48 Jupiter 0 Chiron
06/21/2000 22:23 Jupiter 0 Jupiter
07/01/2001 14:29 Jupiter 89 Moon
07/06/2001 00:21 Jupiter 90 Moon
07/10/2001 11:06 Jupiter 91 Moon
07/24/2002 07:10 Jupiter 89 Chiron
07/28/2002 18:53 Jupiter 90 Chiron
08/02/2002 06:58 Jupiter 91 Chiron
08/14/2003 14:34 Jupiter 89 Jupiter
08/19/2003 04:46 Jupiter 90 Jupiter
08/23/2003 18:47 Jupiter 91 Jupiter
09/17/2004 21:19 Jupiter 180 Moon
10/22/2005 02:25 Jupiter 180 Chiron
11/16/2006 03:54 Jupiter 180 Jupiter
12/07/2007 13:58 Jupiter 91 Moon
12/11/2007 23:45 Jupiter 90 Moon
12/16/2007 08:58 Jupiter 89 Moon
12/28/2008 12:39 Jupiter 91 Chiron
01/01/2009 21:20 Jupiter 90 Chiron
01/06/2009 05:01 Jupiter 89 Chiron
01/05/2010 03:32 Jupiter 91 Jupiter
01/09/2010 21:33 Jupiter 90 Jupiter
01/14/2010 12:36 Jupiter 89 Jupiter
05/26/2010 12:48 Jupiter 0 Moon
09/21/2010 22:09 Jupiter 0 Moon
01/13/2011 12:26 Jupiter 0 Moon
05/31/2011 08:49 Jupiter 0 Chiron
06/03/2012 23:20 Jupiter 0 Jupiter
06/14/2013 21:21 Jupiter 89 Moon
06/19/2013 05:55 Jupiter 90 Moon
06/23/2013 14:33 Jupiter 91 Moon
07/07/2014 22:54 Jupiter 89 Chiron
07/12/2014 11:45 Jupiter 90 Chiron
07/17/2014 00:08 Jupiter 91 Chiron
07/29/2015 08:29 Jupiter 89 Jupiter
08/03/2015 02:21 Jupiter 90 Jupiter
08/07/2015 19:03 Jupiter 91 Jupiter
09/02/2016 01:16 Jupiter 180 Moon
10/06/2017 11:08 Jupiter 180 Chiron
10/31/2018 07:10 Jupiter 180 Jupiter

As with our other readers, we recommend that LiL make a list of events that happened on, or near, these dates.  Since these are Jupiter transits, the events may have happened “near” the dates (due to an activating event such as a New Moon, Full Moon, Mercury station, or something similar).  Contact us regarding the results, and we can proceed from there.


  1. Just leaving the same comment (as in the main saturn post) here:

    thank you for this!

    Names below are all made up:

    As far as those transits/dates are concerned, since my life has always been such up and down evenif there were significant events, I would hardly remember any of those unless I go through my email. Unfortunately my current email records only start from end of 2006. Before that some significant times were:

    September 2002 – when I went to the Netherlands to study masters

    September 2004 – moved to london

    February 2005 – my boyfriend of 8 years came to London to tell me it was officially over and then I had some of the worst times until May 2005

    I was back in India for 4 months starting from summer(probably June 2006) and then here are the dates and whatever I can figure out from the emails and memory:

    11/16/2006 – Around these dates, I got my work permit for london organised so I could go back

    12/07/2007-12/11/2007 – 12/16/2007 – I had a small but intense affair with a guy (Piers) in the beginning of july 2007 and he broke up just within 15 days, and during this time in December he got in touch with me again to patch up, meanwhile I had just met someone new (Simon) at that time and Simon later on became my boyfriend for two years. All was happening around those dates, but I cant tell from mails what exactly happened on those two dates.

    12/28/2008 – So I was in India on an annual leave from work then. Around late September 2008 Simon broke up with me, and then when I was at home around
    12/28/2008, not on exact date but around that time (I think around 12th December), he mailed me saying he wanted to get back together again. (Sorry! This sounds like the story of my life, but they all leave in the end! and then probably regret much later – so I have heard)

    01/01/2009 – 01/06/2009 – Not sure if anything significant, I would have come back from India around that date and met up with Simon at some point but nothing in my mails that shows anything until 20th Jan – sorry
    Life event – I was made redundant from my job and moved to India somewhere in summer of 2009, this also meant that my boyfriend then Simon and I decided to not have a long distance affair

    01/05/2010 – So another month long affair with someone (Matt) ended on 01/04/2010

    01/09/2010 – I had the first email exchange with my current (just ex) boyfriend Jason on 8th, 9th or 10th January

    01/14/2010 – nothing significant

    05/26/2010 – Around those dates, I was deciding and buying tickets to meet Jason for the first time

    09/21/2010 – Around that time i was just going to Thailand with Jason, but things were going very well

    01/13/2011 – Things were going well, Jason and I were about to start a journey of south India with a chef to work on a food book project, however Jason had a little accident on 4th Jan and had snapped a tendon on his right hand middle finger

    05/31/2011 – Things were going well, we were going to north India to do some work then

    06/03/2012 – We came back from north, things were still well

    Something significant happened after these dates and that period is not listed in the above dates because the next one is in next year:

    Jason had decided to marry me around summer of 2011 just around end May probably and I came to know around mid June 2012, he hadnt told me then, but i knew through someone. But then I started getting my chronic illness around july-august of 2011, we went to london and then uganda and things went really bad in august and since then we were constantly arguing.

    Not sure if any of these things makes sense, do let me know if you need any other info.


    • That is a good chronology. Now you are building a map to start to see the patterns in your life. Sometimes when you map out your timelines (with or without Astrology) you can start to see certain kinds of patterns. In the 12 Step programs (such as AA), they call this taking an “inventory.” (Although not all people in those organizations do things that way.)

      With the map in place, now you can start to work on “karma” in a very practical way. As you begin to see a clearer picture of the events of your life, and the patterns, you can decide to do something DIFFERENT (if you wish) at the next juncture. Actually, sounds like you are at that kind of a juncture now. YOU can make a decision as to how you want to do things, and what you want to do differently. Changes are not necessarily “better” or “worse” (well, actually, some are) but mostly are just chances to explore different ways to do things. This gives you more options, if you want them.


  2. During the December 2014 Pluto square Uranus Pluto is exactly conjunct my Sun. And my Saturn return is exact. Do you think I am going to have a really really bad Christmas that year?


    • Rarely do I actually laugh out loud when I read anything online. I admit, that did the trick. So, are you asking for a chart? Here’s my tentative reply:

      A family had twin boys whose only resemblance to each other was their looks. If one felt it was too hot, the other thought it was too cold. If one said the TV was too loud, the other claimed the volume needed to be turned up. Opposite in every way, one was an eternal optimist, the other a doom and gloom pessimist.

      Just to see what would happen, on the twins’ birthday their father loaded the pessimist’s room with every imaginable toy and game. The optimist’s room he loaded with horse manure.

      That night the father passed by the pessimist’s room and found him sitting amid his new gifts crying bitterly.

      “Why are you crying?” the father asked.

      “Because my friends will be jealous, I’ll have to read all these instructions before I can do anything with this stuff, I’ll constantly need batteries, and my toys will eventually get broken.” answered the pessimist twin.

      Passing the optimist twin’s room, the father found him dancing for joy in the pile of manure. “What are you so happy about?” he asked.

      To which his optimist twin replied, “There’s got to be a pony in here somewhere!”

      Gleefullly stolen from


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