While at this point I think there needs to be, if there is not already, a “school” which studies esoterica in general seriously an having as part of its curriculum the correlation of astrological phenomena to historical, cultural and social events in the modern era (or should I say Modern Era?) which is really the province of Mundane Astrology, I want for personal reasons, I (had an aortic aneurysm on April 7th 2009),
take as a sort of point of departure Pluto’s ingress into Capricorn in 2008.

Its 5:35 am here in Cleveland. I had one of those night in which I woke about 4:00 am and could not go back to sleep. So in checking my e-mails I saw you reply and decided to write this. Just prior a friend had sent me an e-mail of a Huffington-Post article in which Steven Spielberg was predicting the implosion of the motion picture business model in the near (by 2020) future.

As I read this I thought about how many of the blogs I ‘ve read in the last few days concerning the Saturn/Pluto mutual reception have made some sidebar references to Uranus inconjunct Saturn which occurs during this period (of mutual reception) but not mentioned the trine between Neptune and Saturn, the sextile between Neptune and Pluto and the Grand trine which will form during this period as well.

Yes I understand this is a great deal to consider and perhaps too much in the way we view astrology in the mass media. Still I thought as I read the article about the motion-picture business model how especially if it happens, when it happens it will be an example of many of the things we have pointed to in or conversation.

Your mention of Arthur Anderson, Enron and the certification company he was head of (whose name I can’t remember at this point) and how they “re-organized themselves to continue on business as usual was co-incident with the thoughts I had concerning how in the late 60′s and early 70′s there were reports of how the Hollywood studio system was over and that form of it was…now we find years later there still is a studio system as part of a larger media conglomerate and apparently not even a significant part of it given Spielberg and Lucas’ (George) comments in the HP article.

Finally for this note, yeah Prometheus was all of that except I think there can not be any separation from the collective. This is a flaw, problem in our conditioning. If my memory of the Greek mythology serves me well at least as regards what was distilled from the classics for popular consumption (something I don’t think given the real nature of myths was a good idea) Prometheus gave mankind fire because it was cold, dark and dangerous on the earth and men were of weak constitution and not surviving.

What I believe Prometheus represents (Uranus) for us is the spark of Genius within us which can help us to evolve and progress as a species (collective). Part of the reason it seems to me there are these reformulations of the autocrats, plutocrats, oligarchies and various other forms of elitist tyranny is the collective unconsciousness or ‘sleep’ in the form presented in the fairy tale of the masses of the people.

What manner of ‘crises’ or kind of power would it take for people to ‘awake’ in sufficient enough numbers to affect the real change necessary? Yeah! But at the same time I don’t subscribe to the, “oh well its everyman for himself or herself theory either”.

Since Pluto has returned to the place it was in when the country was founded, Neptune is in its own sign opposite where it was when the country was founded and Saturn just left (Libra) its place when the country was founded, this is I think
a unique opportunity more so than usual to break out of the box we seem to have been in for several centuries and yes I think the Harmonic Convergence, and the 2012 Baktun Count all contribute (or could) to our understanding of what change and how for the better.

One thing is sure we cannot long continue the way we are. Thank again for the discussion. I hope you can use my commentary in anyway to help further your efforts and the efforts of the Grandtrines Astrological Blog.
Alafia (Peace)

Regarding emergent corporations, a great deal has NOT changed. For example, most people thought Arthur Anderson went away after Enron. While that is technically true, it really just reformulated itself into “Accenture” and carried on business as usual.

Prometheus thwarted the Titans and was punished for it. When he thwarted Olympus by giving Fire to the humans, he was punished for that. The Greeks seemed to know in their mythology that those who bring us the greatest insights are often punished bringing the gifts that they give us.

So it is with Promethean individuals. And, the Collective is never really Promethean, except in relation to a version of itself that no longer exists. To be Promethean is to be an Individual, inherently apart from the Collective.

Kings will never entirely vanish, nor will tax collectors nor will jesters, but the birth of the Internet signals the emergence of a kind of mass consciousness that we have not had before. Tools such as Twitter, smart phones, and tablets are growing this further and faster. Even more interesting tools are yet to emerge as we continue the transformation where the tension between individuality and the collective will be transformed again and yet again. Without the voices of Promethean Individuals the collective becomes stagnant, yet the collective (Collective?) tends to silence Promethean Voices.

That said, I do particularly agree with your commentary about the entry of Pluto into Aquarius. Yes, when that comes to pass, “we” will be very different. Though I do hope I am wrong, I suspect that a great war will emerge in that twenty year window. A realignment of powers will emerge from that.

Great debates have raged over what is the “correct” U.S. chart. Some have said that we have had (at least) three major versions of the United States, with the first born in 1776, the second born from the end of the Civil War (probably at Appomatox), and the third born of World War II (probably with the truce formed with Japan). This model seems extremely persuasive to me, though I have not pursued it in depth.

If this three version model is true, I suspect that a fourth version of the United States either has emerged or is about to emerge. We will know that answer to that only in hindsight, probably long after you and I are dead (passed to the other side or however you prefer to describe it). Arguably, this fourth version may be associated with the Pluto return. Although the more precise “moment” of the shift will be associated with some precipitating event. (But, for my opinion on the nuances of this kind of shift, please see my article: “Maybe it isn’t a point after all.”) Again, we can only loosely speculate on that from our current vantage point in time.